Originally Posted by Ultranothing

Religion is the root of all evil. It's the culmination of our caveman ancestors gazing into the night sky, needing an answer to our existence, and ultimately capitalizing on it.

Religion has caused more harm than good. It is a wall which divides us.

The fact remains that NOBODY - not you, or your parents, or any single human being who has or now currently lives on this planet, TRULY knows who or what "god" is, if such a being exists, why we're here, if indeed we actually have a reason to be here, the meaning of life, etc.

All we can really do is speculate and wonder.

The Bible, the Koran, all of the holy books and texts and sermons and gospels, ALL of religion was created by man, written by man, published by man, and sold by man.

Debate it all you'd like. Religion is just an escape from the reality that you don't have the answer.

The only true value of religion is the morals and standards that it represents. How to live your life as a good person - don't kill, don't steal, take a day off from work once a week...

...but did anyone REALLY need to tell you that?

Originally Posted by Plight

With a history (CENTURIES WORTH) like ours we can't go jolly around telling people "my religion is morally superior than yours" it's outrageous and shows how childish and ignorant people really are, same could be said about being a Muslim, thats why we are in no position to judge them as they are to judge us. You yourself answered the bigger question, it's not religion that kills people it's those bigots who manipulate sheep for their own gains. We already had an episode of mix feelings during the Crusades, when people were literally tearing each other apart like mad dogs for small patches of land even though Jesus basically said (somewhere along the lines) "that you will find God in your heart" not some church or small landmass, but I guess history repeats itself if not taught properly.


Yes, Jesus forgave a woman but since the bible wasn't written by Jesus, but by men with different points of view (men not being perfect from the start), we handled women differently and not along the lines of righteous in historical terms.



You are blowing those numbers out of proportion. As for the "Spanish Inquisition" as you mentioned is only a portion in Inquisition history Inquisition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia but even the inquisition is just a pebble in the hordes of corpses maimed/killed/traded in the name of God which includes the slave trade



This argument is weak at best, even in those times being evil wasn't justifiable specially when everyones life was already harsh, bringing more pain into life doesn't justify the means of being an evil person, thus a child molester then, is a child molester now, time doesn't change that fact, nor does my sympathy or peoples sympathy from the past. When we talk about molesters back then we are talking about those people who fresh up with toddlers and children.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/observer/story.html?id=27cb8511-2947-4540-a085-4cd4322b20ca&p=3

Originally Posted by Plight

Yeah if only Europe just accepted defeat focused on defensive strategic key points instead on going on the offensive avoided all that the bloodshed, in the end greed destroyed Europe just for a patch of land, same goes for the Muslims there were atrocities done by both sides but the atrocities done by the turn of the century the Western Empires to Middle Asia was also despicable. It's why we can't judge them they can't judge us.