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View Poll Results: Do you support Same Sex marriages and why?
I Support Same Sex Marriages 42 39.25%
I Dont Support Same Sex Marriages 56 52.34%
I Am Undecided. 9 8.41%
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Same Sex Marriage For or Against? - 06-01-2009, 06:08 AM

The majority of the world views same sex marriages as against the law and only a few states within america allow it and some states throughout the world wont accept marriage but are willing to make it a "Partnership" of sorts.

Personally for me i believe that everyone whatever your sexual orientation should have the right to be married, to show the ultimate sign of love. However in nilly all cases the main factor in which makes it against the law is of course Religion. Being that many countries governments are holding hands with religion makes the fight for equality extremely hard in that same sex marriages are against everything religion stand for.

Only recently a decision made in California regarding Proposition 8 ceased the freedom of the gay and lesbian community from consummating there love at the alter, however the 18,000 same sex marriages that were performed before that decision will stand.

My question to you is: Do you support Same Sex marriages and why?








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06-01-2009, 07:46 AM

I believe same sex marriage should be legalized in all states.
Homosexuality is a natural thing as has been seen in the behavior of animals.
Just because others believe it is wrong, doesn't mean they should force their beliefs on people who are gay.
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06-01-2009, 09:03 AM

As a warning, you'll get a lot of people telling you there are several threads on this already.

I believe that everyone should be able to marry whomever they want to marry. No questions asked. Race, religion, creed, sexuality should have nothing to do with it. It's a fundamental human right and everyone should be able to possess it. If a religion wants to bar homosexuals from marrying, that is fine. However, the government should not be taking part in this blatant discrimination. The legal union known as marriage should not be based on religious values. It should be a secular union and allow anyone to utilize it.

It's funny. The people on this board that oppose gay marriage seem to be religious and at the same time they will claim that it has nothing to do with their religion.









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06-01-2009, 03:43 PM

I am not against gay marriage but I don't really see the point of it either. It is essentially a religious custom and it's roots seem to have nothing to do with an 'ultimate act of love'. It has to do with the ownership of a woman by a man as part of his property.

Nevertheless if two people want to in indulge in archaic rituals based on property ownership then why not, as long as nobody else is disadvantaged by it

Btw It has been legal and practiced in parts of Europe for some time. Scandinavian countries, Holland, Belgium, Spain.

I voted that it should be legal on the grounds that is basically harmless.








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06-01-2009, 06:19 PM

I apologize firstly if this has been said before, i quickly scanned through the recent debates and didnt see anything about this, so i apologize.

Okay to the point.

Religion if you like it or not has basically walked hand in hand with our growth up until this point and the only way for a couple these days is to get married is by a priest or someone of god, thats basically the jist of the argument that the Gay community have that it shouldnt be up to religious instutions to dictate who cant get married. Because the government is involved who many of them are christians or of other Religious faith they are quickly to reject the proposal to allow it.

Everyone should have the same rights whatever your colour, sex, creed or sexual orientation and allowed same sex marriages in only a few states is enough justification that all states should comply with this as it throws out not only the constitution regarding no laws should be made through a religious guise and that everyone should have equality, but it doesn't seem to be that way if the religious groups are still allowed to dictate there views upon others.







  
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06-01-2009, 07:26 PM

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I am not against gay marriage but I don't really see the point of it either. It is essentially a religious custom and it's roots seem to have nothing to do with an 'ultimate act of love'. It has to do with the ownership of a woman by a man as part of his property.
I worked with two lesbians a while ago and they had been together for fifteen years. This is how it was explained to me (at least through their point of view). They could not marry and therefore:
  • If one was in the hospital and on life support, the other had no rights to decide to keep them alive or pull the plug (Or any kind of medical emergency decision making).
  • If one died, the other had no rights whatsoever to the house and vehicles that they both payed for for years.
  • They couldn't get spousal insurance for each other. They both had to buy independent insurance for each other.
There are a few other things that she said that I don't quite remember but these things were very important to them and they had no legal right to each other.









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06-01-2009, 07:33 PM

Yea unfortunetely the gay community get the very raw end of the stick when it comes to same sex marriage laws and again as i said it is religious groups high in the political arena that set these laws and its utter nonsense.







  
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06-02-2009, 08:28 AM

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I worked with two lesbians a while ago and they had been together for fifteen years. This is how it was explained to me (at least through their point of view). They could not marry and therefore:
  • If one was in the hospital and on life support, the other had no rights to decide to keep them alive or pull the plug (Or any kind of medical emergency decision making).
  • If one died, the other had no rights whatsoever to the house and vehicles that they both payed for for years.
  • They couldn't get spousal insurance for each other. They both had to buy independent insurance for each other.
There are a few other things that she said that I don't quite remember but these things were very important to them and they had no legal right to each other.
legal rights no...but as far as the hospital part, you can sign whoever you want to on paper with the hospital to be able to make the decisions as far as that goes.....its in the case of emergency, where the one that has been hurt, that hasnt signed the papers is where they loose the rights...

the second part..thats what wills are for...

and the insurance...yeah thats a no go....

honestly, i am religious and that does have a part to play with my feelings towards it, I have friends from both sides girls/guys that are gay. but for me the whole thought of marriage is a religious thing so i wouldnt support gays getting married....but i dont think i would go out of my way to fight against it either....but if forced to vote..i would vote no...









  
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06-02-2009, 08:45 AM

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legal rights no...but as far as the hospital part, you can sign whoever you want to on paper with the hospital to be able to make the decisions as far as that goes.....its in the case of emergency, where the one that has been hurt, that hasnt signed the papers is where they loose the rights...

the second part..thats what wills are for...

and the insurance...yeah thats a no go....

honestly, i am religious and that does have a part to play with my feelings towards it, I have friends from both sides girls/guys that are gay. but for me the whole thought of marriage is a religious thing so i wouldnt support gays getting married....but i dont think i would go out of my way to fight against it either....but if forced to vote..i would vote no...
But marriage isn't just a religious thing. It's a union recognized by the government. I have no problem with a church telling homosexuals that they can't marry in their church and that their religion will not accept it. However, I do have a problem with the government purposefully discriminating against a whole culture of people. The biggest problem is that the United States government is refusing to recognize unions from a specific group of people. I find it hypocritical for married people to vote 'no' on whether gays should marry or not. They are enjoying (what should be) a fundamental human right while telling a culture of people they cannot.









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06-02-2009, 05:46 PM

The right for same sex marriage should not be any different between a male and a female, the only difference the gay community is faceing is that governments are scared to vote to allow same sex marriage as many religious groups will no doubt cause more problems.

When the government started allowing religion priority in decisions concerning many different Laws and views on sexuality, race and creed thats when things started down a one way road. If the US consitutition can tell us anything it is that no laws should be made using the guise of religion as a premise. As its been said it is a totally disregard for peoples equality and freedoms not to allow the same rights for everyone whether or not your sexual orientation is any different.








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