im sorry my friend but u need to get your facts straight do a little reading on history kosovo albania macedonia are not 100 percent muslims more then 60% of those countries are christian catholic etcc...
and back then they didnt go to war because of the muslims they went to war because they wanted independece and im not from the part of the country where u think you know your talking about but you dont even know what your talking about so im not even going to explain
and you guys say you show respect to muslims ...what kind of respect calling them terrorists violent people etc how is that showing respect? u.s hates islam and muslims and its true just go to the airport and see a woman with a scafr pass security you wont believe how much trouble they will cause her..thats not very respectful
and calling christianity peaceful or anyo ther religion i see how peaceful you guys are on here being racists insulting my beliefs how is that peaceful and what kind of respect do you want for that?

Thats absolute BULLSHIT. Woman in Scafr pass substantially easier because everyone is afraid of harming their rights :rolleyes:

Why should I not be afraid of the amount of muslims? Why should I not be afraid of what can EASILY change my way of life.

If I thought that I could practise my religion peacefully, evangelise in my own country (not that I do :D), eat bacon and drink beer then I would be happy. Fact is, that islam does NOT allow tolerance of other religions. Im sick and tired of people stating that its only the extremists. Why dont muslims take care of those "extremist" places then. Why dont they change Iran. Why dont they change Saudi Arabia.

Fact is, that islam for its own good intentions is not tolerant and will not be. Im cool with that as long as we are left along, but the sheer numbers states demograhically that we wont.

Im cool with muslims as individuals, truly I am. However I have NO time for the religion itself.

I have a question for you ShazaM, and its just your opinion nothing more. In your understanding of the religions which you seem to have a fair bit of knowledge about, would you say that islam or Catholism is the religion that is most likely and/or is exploited/gives creedence to attacks.

Sorry, but the U.S doesn't hate Muslims it's small minded people that are afraid of what they don't understand of other cultures that make harsh and stupid decisions.

QFT. Some people really do have hangups. We have a generation of middle easterns who have an inability to forget or forgive, enhanced by the religion.

If they actually reasoned it out, the world would be a different place.

Some good points there. But perhaps I didn't finish painting the picture. I believe in a higher power. I believe that there is a god, or gods, of some design, because I believe in the principle that "everything has to come from something". I also hope that death is not the ultimate end, because who among you can imagine not existing in some way. It is all we know and to think otherwise isn't very pleasant.

But I don't like my words to be trivialized. I wasn't trying to be "cool" though I do appreciate the compliment if that is what your aim was to do.

Morals and values do not stem from religion. They were there long before the idea of "Jesus" came about, long before the bible was written, etc. Morals and values and all of the qualities that makes us human, that make our society work, existed long before the time of the Egyptians, and the Sumeritans, and the Babylonians, and the Gobbledygooks, and even the Doohickies. They are a reflection of how we ourselves would wish to be treated in an ideal world.

And no matter how one views it, the fact STILL remains that man invented religion. Man wrote the books, built the churches, and designed all of our little rituals that we perform in the name of god.

Watch the pope driving down the street in the "Pope-mobile" and tell me there's an answer there.

See what I mean? Can you just picture him watching the religion channel and rubbing the TV with his cheek pressed against the glass?

I don't have a problem with religion personally. I just know that whatever immense all-knowing creator of the universe, doesn't give a flying crap about where you sit on Sunday morning.

Islam of course. The amount of damage Islam is causing to the world is highly significant to a lot of society's choices these days. The sad part is that people listen to the media and form their opinions on what the media says while all the media cares about is showing the negative side of the spectrum. Either way, Islamic Radicalism needs to be exterminated. That will only be done when the good and moderate Muslims realize the danger radicalism is causing and fight it. The U.S. thought they could do it themselves but obviously, our soldiers are not trained well enough to fight insurgents in the streets of an unknown town somewhere in a deserted place.

-ShazaM

That's why you're proud to be Muslim? Because you're going to be NUMERO UNO?

That is re-tar-ted. But hey...

Sorry, but he's not entirely correct. Religion is most definitely NOT the main reason why we have an "ordered society".

Tell that to the Hindus. Oh wait, they're wrong and YOUR religion is right. Mmmm..what a dilemma.

Atheism is way too closed-minded.

Agnosticism - the view that the truth of certain claims — particularly metaphysical claims regarding religion, theology, afterlife, or the existence of God, gods, deities, or even ultimate reality — is unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently unknowable due to the nature of subjective experience perceived by that individual.

That's a WikiRip, but essentially it means that no-one really knows what god is, and to stop claiming that you do.

That's MY "religion"

I think that an even bigger misunderstanding is how a bunch of "illiterates" received their pilots licenses in the United States and were able to fly airliners. Oh, wait - I get it, they learned English well enough to get pilots licenses, but were illiterate in their NATIVE language. And there were no English versions of the Qu'ran available for them to thumb through and say, "HEY! I think we've done got lied to!"

Try again, dude.

"Religion" in the modern sense of the word (ie., the last few thousand years) is in NO WAY responsible for our species being superior to the rest of the animal kingdom. Religion as it applies to, perhaps, our caveman ancestors gazing into the night sky and pondering their own existence is one thing that separates us from the animals, but...

You're giving religion way too much credit. The main thing which separates us from the animals is verbal communication. The ability to speak and form complex thought is what builds societies and establishes moral and other law.

Religion stems from communication.

Here you have millions (at the time) of creatures who were beginning to ponder their own existence, the meaning of life, etc. When languages started to be developed, this was probably a pretty big talking point. They started guessing at this and that, formulating theories, etc., and as our nature as humans is to fight f or supremacy, to be the alpha, what-have-you, some early humans began to profess that they had the answers, and to follow them.

Enter: Modern religion.

Anyway - We can debate about religion, and morals, and how to be good people all day long.

Until you stop. And remember. What purpose this very website, where we're now having this discussion, mainly serves.

What would JESUS CHRIST do if he knew you were STEALING music, and movies, and games, all for your own selfish pleasures. He'd SMITE you, that's what he'd do!

See what I mean? We put religion aside when our human desires kick in.

RELIGION is DEAD!

Might as well post 50 times simultaneously ><

You;re making good points but try to do those in one post instead of 10 please.

It's against the rules of this very forum you're talking about.

-ShazaM

" I came to realize that for myself, being non-religious makes life way easier for me to live" => The world should hear that line. =) I think an entity as powerful as god - if existent - would complicate the everyday life of us feeble humans. We can already see that it does. People either draw perverted conclusions from the doctrines or ascribe their madnesses to it to justify themselves. I have been a good person all my life, atheist or not, I think that is all that matters. I do not need overcomplicated and highly vague + interpretable texts to direct my life, and I am sure God will do just fine without my prayers. (That is to say: I do not concern myself with whether or not he exists, but I must point out, if he does, it does seem pretty harsh for me to burn an eternity for not believing when im much better a person than most believers. And well, if God does not condemn me to an eternity of fire, than that makes the whole Holy Book thing a big hoax, as that would contradict with what it says.)


I do not intend to offend anyone's belief with this, but I think religion is obsolete in our time. It was for soldiers - to give them a reason to fight, for the people, to use a deity to keep them in line, a tool of crowd control in the past century.