Mentori :Your obvious lies won`t pass this time !!!

You call it KOSOVA, Serbs call it KOSMET (KOSovo & METohia), because 45 % of that territory is owned legally by Serbian Orthodox Church for some 560 years (+/- 10 years).
("Metohia" means church ground property)
Serbs were located on Kosmet for ages - your people were taken (by Turkish conquerors) out of Middle Asia starting from XVII century and brought in Balkan Peninsula to settle northern mountains of present Albania.
Following your traditions, your tribes were beginning to interfere amongst small societies and communes in order them to disappear forever and your fathers did it by force and by islamization of those societies. And these societies were Serbian and Greek Christian brotherhoods and families and even tribes. Your fathers did it because Turks said them to do so to enter Turkish mercy and to inherit new soil.
Because your tribes` changing attitude (depends on situation of certain times), you became backbone for any interested foreign force (Italy, Austria, Germany) to attach possible allies in this part of Europe.

Many of present Albanians are Greek and Serbs in fact, but since many of them were turned into Islam by force and as such been manipulated for centuries, they probably wouldn`t admit it now, especially if those belong to Islam. They would rather remain foreign ally (an ordinary servant) than turn their smile to their neighbors and relatives.

These people here need to hear from you why you call yourself the Shqiptars and ask from the world to call you the Albanians. I will tell you:
Shqiperia means "land of the eagles".
Your Gjergj Kastrioti Skanderbeg (1405-1466) was Djordje (Giorgio, Georg...)Kastratovich, Serb, of Kastratovich Brotherhood of great Vasojevich Tribe of Serbian Nation, of father Jovan (John, Johann..)Kastratovic and mother Vojislava(Voyi`slava), Serb also.

Turkish sultan gave him name after Alexander the Great and added "bey" as Muslim, because this Djordje passed into Islam after one defeat by the Turks.

So, you call this Skanderbeg( Skenderbey) the father of your nation, and he lived in XV century, so you admit you are not the Illyrians and...you are not !!!

But, since the Turks stayed in Balkan until Bulgarians, Greek and Serbs vanished them in 1912. your fathers freely took many lands and kept them since Italy forced creation of Albania in 1920. and took away from Serbs many cities, like Skadar (you now call it Shkoder), Veliko Polje (Great Field) you call it Velipoja and it means nothing in Albanian language like Shkoder, and you took away Drach (serbian name for wild grass) and Uroshevac (Serbian King Urosh) and renamed it to Ferizaj (after some Feriz, turkish servant), and you took Pech (Pech means furnace in Serbian), and renamed to Peja, means nothing in Albanian, you took Kosovska Mitrovica, Kosovska Kamenica (kamen - stone), Obilic (after Milos Obilic, great Serbian national hero who killed Murat I, Turkish sultan in the Great Battle on Kosovo 1389.) renamed into Kastrioti, took away Srbica and renamed into Skenderaj, took away Pristina, Gnjilane, Prizren ( legendary Serbian mediaeval spiritual, educational, political and economical center.

You raped thousands of Serbian girls and wives, you burned hundreds of Serbian churches and monasteries, you killed tens of thousands of Serbs in past 50 years, in order to vanish the rest of Serbs and you did it because your fathers did it many times in history. And you did it successfully, because Serbs, (being bullheaded, had never agreed to be servants, because they sense themselves as free people, had always been punished for their contumacy for 1000 years and more) did so little in diplomatic ways for passed 100 years and finally lost their land by force whose construction path had been created by your grandfathers in order to inherit the lands.
And you will continue your struggle to seize land after land as long as somebodies see their interests and Serbs and the other nations are weak.
As soon as it stops, everything will be paid back, understand it, because you decided to continue doing crimes to the great nation and very strong nation, nation who never forgets.
It`s the truth.

I do not hate you or hate any of your people, but be sure that every Serb will go into the war when time comes. Remember my words, my cousin.
Painful injustice was committed to Serbs by your side. Serbs will never forget.

So don`t laugh, don`t call Serbs Nazis by broadcasting lies about millions of dead Albanians or such stupid claim.

The world doesn`t know the truth because they never heard the truth beside modern TV and radio stations who talks what they are told to talk about. Many here know the truth, so don`t try to widen politics here. Ever again.
You insulted many people here.

Serbs are proud people, they have fought against Turkish Empire, Austro - Ugarian Empire for centuries, and Serbs struggled and liberated their home from Italian Fascists and especially from German and Croatian Nazis, who killed more than 900,000 Serbs in World War II in Concentration Camps in Croatia, Bosnia, Austria and Germany.

Serbs were always been real allies of the Russians, Greeks, Romanians, French, British and American people. They know it - just ask them for further info.

I live in Ulcinj, Montenegro, peaceful coast town near Albanian border. I know a lot about Albanians from Albania or Montenegro, who are mostly catholics, living in peace and harmony with Serbs and Croatians and Greeks and know a lot of Kosmet`s Albanians, who are mostly Muslims and among who I see a lot of radical Muslims, and who want to settle a war in Balkan again.
If those radicals succeed in their attentions to settle wider conflict, you will disappear as nation.
Because Serbs are on the edge of their patience and good will.

I hope my reply didn`t insult anyone. It wasn`t my attention to insult or derogate anyone in here.
If it looks so, I deeply apologize.
I just didn`t want to stay quiet when somebody is laughing, talking about millions of victims and insulting my people calling them murderers, in one single sentence. Disgusting !!!

Regards,
Plvs Vltra

so what your saying is that what i learned in school was wrong that skenderbeu was a serb right well its kinda hard to believe that cuz i learned that in america
and to tell you the truth what was once isnt now meaning things change for exmaple america was under british control back then but it changed but no one cares about that time goes on things will be forgotten im not saying that as an insult or anything but as long as america is alive no nation will dissappear but to be honest i dont know the actual history behind the war in 1999 and thats because i was in america at that time and i dont know. but in a way you are putting it your making serbs really peaceful and thast not quite true there are many things through out history that i have learned that you guys have done but im not going to get into that theres stuff that you guys have done after the independence but its ok because this is a religious discussion.

and to answer your reply shazam i posted on here 2 time from my last post and they both got deleted and its quite disrespectful its like saying to me stfu no one cares what you have to say thats why i refuse to reply

Well our joint arguments were relatively strong ones, especially coming from a Warez forum :P

I agree. Serbs are not bad people, and I wouldn't know if their government is completely innocent or not, but singling a whole race out is never the right thing to do.

While I agree, i must point out its a major deviation from the topic =)

(Merge my last 2 posts please =) my bad.)

I don't know who deleted your replies. But they must have been deleted for a reason.

And you guys just went way too offttopic with this one. Why are we talking about KOSOVO and Serbia now?

-ShazaM

other people started they were using nationality as examples

Aristotle also made many scientific errors regarding bee study. I'm going to show you 7 errors which Aristotle made

1. Aristotle first of all thought the queen bee was actually a male, which is wrong, it is female.
2. he thought bees do not give birth to young, but they fetch their young from flowers, which is actually false. We know that bees are actually hatched from eggs.
3. Aristotle thought bees come from olives[?], which of course we know is not true.
4. He said the honey comb of the bee is actually made from flowers. This is false - the honey comb is made from wax.
5. He knew of bee's wax though, but he thought the bee's wax comes from the gum of trees, which is completely scientifically inaccurate - it comes from the wax glands of the bees.
6. He said female bees do not sting because nature does not provide females with weapons, but this is also false, because female bees are the ones that are stinging you. They are the ones with the stingers. The male bees don't have stingers.
7. And he basically thought that the worker bees were basically sexless, meaning they had no male or female parts to them.

How did he know what to copy and what not to? If you going to say he copied from the book, then show us other things that he copied from that book. And if you cannot show that, let me ask another question: what is the ratio of the scientific error over scientific truth for the Qur'an in relation to bee study? Who can tell me? Well, it is one over zero. Aristotle's was one over seven, the Qur'an's is one over zero. Which means that the author of the Qur'an could not have plagiarized this from any source, because if you're copying from a source, believe me man, you're going to copy some of the wrong answers too.


There are many other things too in which I will post when I have more time.

wow......... he got some bee facts wrong :rolleyes:


LOL thats the most pathetic argument ive heard since......since..........a muslim tried to convert me :p

sorry people .. but it looks that the most of you people dont know what is the islam ... but please think and turn on your brains ... islam is so separated of the terrorism .. why if we just mention to islam . the most of you start talking about terorrism ???
why dont you think chritians are also terorrists .... OR JEWS that they kill everyday 20 palestinians ???? ohh i think its just a self-defence .....
c'mon people ... grew up .. we're not child anymore and we dont believe everything we see or we hear ....

im muslim and im proud to be .... ill stay muslim forever :-D

islam is the opposite of war and terorrism

im not trying to convert you but what im saying is that thats not the only thing aristotle was wrong about do some research and you will see. he had many errors so why would someone think that quran is copied from aristotle's books it just shows that there is a god that wrote it. You should look at what aristotle thought about fresh and salty water.
did i also mention
aristotle thought that the world was flat and that it was the center of the universe, and what does this have to do with islam?? well in the quran it says that the earth is not flat and that everything is orbiting around the sun